EP 30·Feb 18, 2026

How to get started with OpenClaw | Alfred Simon, AI Architect @ Adwise

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This episode will be about AI. But not the ChatGPT kind of AI, but the building agents kind of AI. We’ll talk about what Alfred has been cooking over the last months, what FAFO really means (not just what the acronym stands for), and about this new kid on the AI block: OpenClaw.

If you want to understand where AI-powered marketing is actually heading, not the LinkedIn hype, but the messy, exciting reality of building stuff every single day, this is the conversation

Check out these helpful links

Repo: https://github.com/Pitcocy/niklas-podcast

The OpenClaw guy if you want to get inspired:https://x.com/AlexFinn

YouTube video with some extra context about setup:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GrG-dOmrLU

Use cases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7r--i9lLck

OpenClaw website: https://openclaw.ai/

Their link to the repo, that you can use to feed to Claude during setup: https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw

▶ Let's connect! 🔗 Niklas on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/niklas-buschner/ Radyant on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/radyant/ Alfredt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alfred-simon/ Alfred on X: https://x.com/AlfredSimon Alfred on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@alfredsimonai

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00:00:00The number one thing you need to accept is that, You can't keep up.
00:00:04It's impossible!
00:00:05So if you expect to keep up with all the tools it's my job and I cant' keep up With
00:00:10them.
00:00:10There always a new kid on the block.
00:00:12Now its like this open-clothed thing And i mean...you said..the first thing you have to accept Is That YOU CAN'T KEEP UP But you're also someone who immediately jumps into it.
00:00:23When he came out My Twitter feed instantly got flooded With multiple people talking about him in like the first two or three hours.
00:00:31Then I knew instantly, okay this is something.
00:00:33tomorrow i need to book Two Hours In The Morning!
00:00:36I Need To Test It Immediately.
00:00:37Why Is This Substantial?
00:00:39why should people care?
00:00:40Open Claw is one of their most capable AI assistants at the moment.
00:00:45that's on the market.
00:00:46you have to think about it as a regular chat GPT Or Claude...it can do mostly things That Those Platforms Can Do For You But..It Has A Lot Of Extras.
00:00:59The biggest difference between Openclaw and the chat GPT-like platforms is that...
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00:01:33Let's dive into todays episode.
00:01:36Today's episode will be about AI But not the chat GPT kind of AI but building agents' kind.
00:01:44We'll talk about what Alfred has been cooking over the last month, what FAFO really means.
00:01:49Not just what the acronym stands for and about this new kit on the AI block that's called Open Claw.
00:01:57if you want to understand where AI powered marketing is actually heading not The LinkedIn hype but the messy exciting reality of building stuff every single day.
00:02:07This Is THE conversation.
00:02:09That being said welcome to the podcast Alfrid.
00:02:13Thank you very much, Nicholas for the invitation and happy to be here.
00:02:17And talk about yeah one of the topics that nobody talks about AI.
00:02:22Yeah I also feel like we have Uncovered a gap year in especially LinkedIn content with AI but Yeah jokes aside thanks so much for taking the time For people too better understand why?
00:02:37You are a perfect person to listen to when it's this topic, can you share a little bit of context about your role and what do basically day by day?
00:02:49Yeah.
00:02:49Of course!
00:02:50So my job position on paper is stated AI architect.
00:02:56that's the official nice name which we also use in more normal ways.
00:03:01but I call myself a FAFO engineer.
00:03:03That's F around and find out Mostly At the agency, so I work at a Dutch Agency called Advice.
00:03:12It's digital marketing agency and my role is to help our clients integrate AI in way that makes sense And it also useful and possible.
00:03:23Also same way other fifty percent is to have the agency itself.
00:03:28So our teams services how we can make something faster How you do with AI.
00:03:34And it's a lot of experimenting, implementing things and not just playing around.
00:03:41but we also have already running systems in production.
00:03:46Either at us or either some our clients.
00:03:49So yeah basically that is in the nutshell.
00:03:52But if there anything else you want to know feel free to ask.
00:03:56Of course, I always loved these videos on YouTube where it's like day in the life of a... I remember software engineer at Google.
00:04:05Day In The Life of even investment banker because sometimes you generally understand what this people do but don't have clear visual manifestation how their days actually looks.
00:04:18so can take us through typical one-day AI architect at advice.
00:04:26Yeah, yeah I can't...I start really early.
00:04:30so my wake-up is around four forty five four fifty depends a bit on when the dog wakes up and then i just quickly go out take the doc to tour.
00:04:44basically after breakfast i go straight away to work.
00:04:48what's exciting but also at the same time challenging about this role.
00:04:53I really don't have two days that are the same.
00:04:56So it's hard to find like, obviously...I try to have a return where i work in the morning-i had two or three hours focused work.
00:05:04but the topics projects i worked on is constantly changing and sometimes i don't even know Monday what will come up on Wednesday.
00:05:16One day can be, for example if I take a typical day.
00:05:19For example yesterday i was three hours at the client talking about their new plans on how we could integrate AI.
00:05:26We already made proof of concept and tested it And now had to present that proof-of-concept with the client himself To his team's management.
00:05:39This is what we've been building in past couple weeks.
00:05:43It's working!
00:05:44Made a demo And then, yeah.
00:05:47We just had to present it and now we are waiting for approval.
00:05:50so he is waiting for the person that's building inside a company.
00:05:55So we can take it further because not as just proof of concept.
00:06:00That was in the morning.
00:06:01Then I had to finish up something... We were working on reporting agent inside an agency.
00:06:09One of my agents took me into certain level.
00:06:14take it to deploy into a Docker server so we can run certain things also on the server side.
00:06:21My colleague, which is a lot more technical than I am finished up part of it and then i finish that in afternoon uh.
00:06:28And then rest day.
00:06:30they was just looking for some issues and bugs.
00:06:34because one thing nobody talks about AI systems are in production.
00:06:38That's going break alot types And the more system you have running, The more systems You need to maintain and fix.
00:06:46Since we are at the agency right now, Fourteen active systems that are running in certain ways.
00:06:52Some of them run in NA-X, some outside NA-x.
00:06:56There is always something broken.
00:06:58Somebody sends a slack with an image That's not working.
00:07:02Usually I spend like one hour A day trying To fix those as much As i can.
00:07:10If it's a sport day, I go to sports and after that i do some work in the evening.
00:07:14And basically thats it.
00:07:15but yeah mostly its like ten-thirteen hours of work per day about learning about AI and then trying projects and things like that.
00:07:24What would you say?
00:07:25Why do AIAgents break so often?
00:07:28Do feel they break more than traditional software products pre-AI era?
00:07:36Not really...So software wise don't really break, it's more like the response they give.
00:07:42It's not always what is expected.
00:07:47What I see from our examples is that forty percent of users are not using it in a way that was intended to be used with every software i guess.
00:07:59But no but people need use how to prompt.
00:08:02so most times colleagues put something into it and then they get something, but the way they asked for it or the data that they gave to AI had no chance of giving a correct answer.
00:08:15The problem is even if you set this system from these systems try to help in any possible ways.
00:08:21so they tried to come up with an answer.
00:08:23sometimes its wrong and then that frustrates people.
00:08:26Other things are just timeout errors Something breaking in production, thirty percent of their error.
00:08:33probably me making a mistake when I created it.
00:08:36because yeah, these are most of them.
00:08:40I would say wipe-coded with an intention.
00:08:42so i'm vibe coding in the way...I know exactly each file what needs to do on their project and where the folders are database.
00:08:50So understand that this is not completely wipe coded but obviously the code.
00:08:54ninety percent of the code is written by something we break here there you also have fixed And
00:09:02can you share an example of a product or an agent, etc.
00:09:07You build maybe some that is best for people also to understand what's possible?
00:09:13So probably not the most complicated thing you've built but may be something just very easy to imagine how it works out in day-to-day either at agency and clients.
00:09:31Yeah, I can share an example from our agency.
00:09:35You listen to also digital marketing so it's gonna be easy to understand.
00:09:40the social team needed a quick tool where they can A-B test certain creatives and just making small changes to image itself.
00:09:50So when that design team or client creates creative sometimes you want button on the image or something in an image changes from green to blue and then just small changes.
00:10:01And those, yeah instead of asking someone for a design team are going yourself into Canva.
00:10:07we're making the changes.
00:10:09Nano Banana Pro is exceptionally good at those things.
00:10:13so I created this small tool where they can upload images give context about what they want to change, select the client if it's available also in the database.
00:10:23So we already have some context of how they are doing and their brand colors or things like that And then yeah... The user just has to say okay this is an image.
00:10:32I wanted to change That button from green to red.
00:10:36They get the output, download it immediately.
00:10:38a new version almost same creative.
00:10:42What would you tell people?
00:10:44say, hey okay but I can also just do this in Gemini and then select Nano Banana Pro.
00:10:50So why should i build a tool for this use case?
00:10:55Yeah one thing is that in Geminai yeah you can create the gem where you can also upload the brand colors and things like.
00:11:03That's nice for one client But when you need to create gems For each of your clients it will take always bit longer.
00:11:11so with these tools we have So they just need to get a selector.
00:11:18I'm now working with this client, so there are already most of the colors that he can use.
00:11:23and brand tone of voice because it's not only color changing.
00:11:27for the A-B test.
00:11:28you also write in new text.
00:11:29You don't have to explain what words we want.
00:11:33some clients like these Type of text or not and then that's already over.
00:11:39there is an accessible And yeah, it's in this way.
00:11:42It's better.
00:11:43the other thing In nano banana you can get rate-limited with this weekend because we use straight API.
00:11:49so if Ten colleagues are working on it at the same time when everyone sends a request.
00:11:55Yeah We just scale with that and in Gemini At some point run into some rate limits as well.
00:12:04And how do you decide if for example someone from the team or from a client comes with a request.
00:12:11For hey, couldn't we do this in a better way?
00:12:14Or couldn't maybe use AI for that?
00:12:18How did he decided between different options like okay We can just use like chat GBT Gemini Claude maybe a little bit better prompt, but we use the normal interface and then We can use a cloud project custom GPT or Gemini Jam.
00:12:38So create dedicated instance so to say in tool for it.
00:12:43And okay?
00:12:44We have to build A standalone agent our standalone tools.
00:12:48what's your Decision?
00:12:51making checklist so-to-say for these requests?
00:12:54yeah
00:12:56It always starts with the request and what they actually want as output.
00:13:01So when I start this, And i have like a talk or small meeting With that client Or team members That wants something to do with AI My first question is Always What would you Like To Be The Output?
00:13:14How often Do You Need That When You Talk With This Tool Agent?
00:13:19Whatever?
00:13:21What Is That You Want To See As A Response?
00:13:25most of the time.
00:13:26that really helps deciding on which way we need to go.
00:13:30So if they say usually I want have a conversation about something, so let's say i want talk my data then building full agent is not always best option.
00:13:41Then you just need find away for this person.
00:13:45They can get their data in safe ways To already existing platform like Cloud or Gemini or Chelsea Pity and then they can talk there.
00:13:55The reason for this example is that inside all these tools, a lot of other tools the agents can call.
00:14:02so if you talk with chatGPT he can search internet things like that And people are used to it.
00:14:08If I recreate as an agent, stand-alone agent i need to recreate those too.
00:14:12That takes lots time A lot experimenting.
00:14:15They won't work.
00:14:16good what openly created.
00:14:19So when someone wants to talk today Then usually I recommend we find a way for you to get that actual data from BigQuery, Google Analytics or whatever.
00:14:35If someone wants an automated process every day then those platforms automatically are not an option.
00:14:44So then you need to look into, for example if it's not hard to make.
00:14:47the NA-TEN is a nice option depends.
00:14:50so when they say okay I need this every day at certain hour delivered to a certain place.
00:14:57Then next question what comes?
00:14:58Okay where is your data?
00:15:01how much reasoning the agent has?
00:15:06And based on that, I can already see if it's like a multi-agent process.
00:15:10So we need two or three of four agents to get the answer.
00:15:14then probably NATEM won't be good fit because of timeouts and crashes.
00:15:19It is not always reliable.
00:15:21Then you have to think about another framework.
00:15:23but If its just one agent with certain API calls and send as an email than you dialed exactly ok then go with NATEN.
00:15:31Its easy to build and fire up.
00:15:34So yeah, mostly this is my checklist.
00:15:36I try to find out what they want as an answer.
00:15:38do They need it timed?
00:15:39Do they need in a certain place or they just want to talk with you?
00:15:42then that decides from In which direction we go from there.
00:15:46Hmm when did you become an AI architect?
00:15:49Or when did like your role change?
00:15:52maybe also if officially
00:15:54Officially changed in July last year and so obviously people don't know me but i have no AI background at all.
00:16:05So I am not even a computer scientist or something like that, i started out as a regular normal google specialist.
00:16:13uh...i have nine years experience in that field and thats what i did the agency before i start working on ai projects.
00:16:20And this is came pew from..I loved it ,and saw an opportunity here.
00:16:27when chad gpt got released On the day of the release on Twitter, someone was posting about it and I also immediately tried it.
00:16:38And i was instantly hooked!
00:16:40I was the first guy who said to the agents because next time Monday i went in... ...I showed everyone hey this is a nice tool you can talk.. You get answers and he can do lot's things.
00:16:49Nobody understood at that point what am talking about.
00:16:51two weeks later everybody was talking about Chagapit.
00:16:55And ..i just loved it !
00:16:56I saw opportunity ,things that you could create.
00:16:59how many chances you have.
00:17:02I spent every morning, before work after-work weekends everything building certain things trying it and playing around with the tools that are available.
00:17:11when a new mother came out.
00:17:13I tried it instantly.
00:17:14When i saw a new tool like try this instantly.
00:17:16And I shared all these processes inside the agencies so talked about it.
00:17:21I shared certain tools that I made.
00:17:23then obviously The leadership at the agency said okay Yeah, maybe we should give him some more time to actually have dedicated time for this.
00:17:35And then that increase from ten percent to thirty to forty-fifty and in July we decided okay I should go there probably full on this.
00:17:44Do you think or do your... Maybe even see This role also popping up at other companies because i feel like it's still fairly new?
00:17:57Probably I can dare to say we were the first agency in The Netherlands.
00:18:01And, uh...I don't know about other parts of the world but i probably.
00:18:05We Were the First Agency at the Netherlands that had a full-time someone That was working with AI related things.
00:18:11Um..i'm not sure if this is gonna be standard or Not?
00:18:14I am definitely Sure you will need Someone that Focuses on AI more than Other Things For.
00:18:21so If I take the agency model I really see the benefit Of of having someone like this at the company.
00:18:28The thing is that if you have some full-time doing things like these, then they can have all kinds time to experiment new tools find out what's working and see patterns.
00:18:39What do we need to try?
00:18:41Because when other team members come from their industries vertically with a question You know exactly which tool could help them because So many already.
00:18:53And you know, do we need to build something or don't need to be at something?
00:18:57Uh and You can help them a lot easier.
00:18:59so if you expect like A dedicated SEO specialist Or someone that's working with social ads To also create the tool while they are Managing clients and things Like That.
00:19:09it is going Take a Lot Longer.
00:19:12Doing It in tandem With Someone that's Focusing on creating The Tool Getting feedback from the actual Specialist Can Help a Lot.
00:19:19Yeah!
00:19:19You Need a team or one person at least that understands all the things that comes with AI.
00:19:25I still don't understand lot of it, but... ...I do understand.
00:19:29i think a lot compared to colleagues who dont spend.. ..a lot time playing around these two.
00:19:37And what helps you keeping up with all the news?
00:19:40Because every week probably there is new release.
00:19:44either Claude releases a new model or there's, I don't know.
00:19:49A completely new set of features coming out.
00:19:52then There is like New agent platforms popping up etc.
00:19:57so i feel Like when I talk to people that are maybe still So they're way earlier in their AI journey than you for example.
00:20:07One Of the things That I hear The most Is that They Struggle with Keeping Up And then you already feel left behind if your not like on the cutting edge.
00:20:18Where probably that's no true, but how do handle this?
00:20:22maybe even more mindset wise or mentally?
00:20:28Yeah!
00:20:28The number one thing to accept is that You can't keep up.
00:20:33It's impossible.
00:20:34So If you accept it with all of these tools its my job and I cant' keep up While doing all the things and creating projects, there's no chance keeping up.
00:20:45I have an AI agent running on for myself.
00:20:48that sends me sometimes news... ...I don't even have some time to read what he sent.
00:20:51so let alone keep up with the news You can!
00:20:55So i think we need to accept at some point you won't be able to keep up it all the tools.
00:21:00My thing is how do this once you get into it?
00:21:05At a beginning its really hard.
00:21:07You're going to see a lot of tools, you are gonna see ways to do it and everything like that.
00:21:12As soon as you get more into it... ...you will see most of the tools are just behind.
00:21:19what they do is different.
00:21:20So if for example you understand Context window And how this works It doesn't matter which coding agent your using.
00:21:27You use.
00:21:28Cursor, Cloudcode, Gemini, Codex Works in the same way.
00:21:31One has bigger Context windows one has lower Context but The logic behind it is the same.
00:21:39As soon as you understand these things, like with everything... Getting up on speed in a new model or tool isn't really difficult after that.
00:21:50Usually what we can expect from a new module is to do more and have better context window understanding.
00:21:55so What I usually do when doing something issue, for example with coding projects and AI can't solve it And I see that we just running around its circles.
00:22:06I make a note of It i've write down what?
00:22:08I tried and why it failed and then the new mother comes out.
00:22:12Usually go back to those notes and I try A few of those issues again With The New Mother To See What Changed.
00:22:17Does The Thinking Logic Changes Of The Model Or Not To See?
00:22:24But Yeah This Obviously you need this first to start using it.
00:22:28so I think You don't have to be like scared or something.
00:22:32I think the best is pick one of the bigger players, Gemini, Claude whatever and start actually making something.
00:22:41do a coding project.
00:22:43Everyone has ideas.
00:22:44everyone has A tool that they want Or try To make.
00:22:48That see where it takes you to understand how you work with these tools because as soon As sooner you Understand It's The Easier We'll Be A bit.
00:23:00I don't know if this makes sense?
00:23:03Yeah, it make sense totally but there is always a new kid on the block as i also said in the introduction and now its like this open-cloth thing.
00:23:12so... And you said that first things to accept are that You can't keep up But As far as I know.. You're someone who immediately jumps into It.
00:23:24So yeah!
00:23:26This is what I forgot.
00:23:27say If you are on Twitter or LinkedIn, I recommend if you really want to be up-to-date with AI stuff go to Twitter.
00:23:35Because what i see on LinkedIn sometimes is two or three days later.
00:23:40so people sharing things on LinkedIn and that's all news posted yesterday.
00:23:48when something big comes out because there's so much noise everyone is testing everything.
00:23:53When Something Big Comes Out we will see it everywhere.
00:23:55So instantly okay...I need to try this.
00:23:58Every small tool release, you won't be able to try it.
00:24:02But when for example Open Claw is now the name but then launch was Claude... When this came out my Twitter feed instantly got flooded with multiple people talking about that in like first two or three hours.
00:24:15Then I knew instantly okay This something.
00:24:17tomorrow i need to book Two Hours In The Morning.
00:24:20I Need To Test It Immediately.
00:24:22If like ten of other people talk on X I know Okay!
00:24:26This probably serious So I need to look into it.
00:24:30And yeah, this is what helps.
00:24:32so people are helping actually each other with keeping up the news because there's so much tool come releases every day and something that's mediocre doesn't work at the time.
00:24:43People won't talk about you that much.
00:24:45when something big jumps everyone talks about It?
00:24:47Then You Need To Probably Test.
00:24:50So please take us With You two these Two Hours That You Blocked After Open Claw or back then called ClaudeBot came out.
00:24:58What did you see?
00:25:01Why is this substantial, why should people
00:25:03care?".
00:25:04Yeah so first of all what.
00:25:08OpenClaw is one the most capable AI assistants at the moment that's on the market.
00:25:16You have to think about it as a regular chat GPT or Claude.
00:25:22It can do more.
00:25:23certain things those platforms can do for you, but it has a lot of extras to it.
00:25:29So first off all... You can install OpenClaw on your device.
00:25:34I don't recommend doing that Definitely not in the main devices which we are using daily Because the biggest difference between OpenCla and ChagPPT-like platforms is that OpenCLA does everything with your device So it can open a browser, delete files and search for files.
00:25:55It does this.
00:25:56so if you have experience with Cloud Code then you understand OpenCloud quite fast because OpenCloud can run terminal commands in your device And with terminal commands.
00:26:09basically you do almost everything on your laptop.
00:26:14So this is one of the biggest differences.
00:26:17I made some notes for myself to not forget, To mention most important things!
00:26:23Let me just make sure that i covered all these... Yeah so This Is One Of The Biggest That It Can Run The PC Actually As A User.
00:26:36So That Gives So Much Freedom With it That Its Insane.
00:26:42The other part is that it's really autonomous, so you don't have to explain a lot of things.
00:26:47For example when I was setting up OpenClaw usually You can set this by just talking with it.
00:26:53So once its running on the server or your device and start chatting With it then say for example i want to activate nano-banana pro skill in your toolbase so you Can generate images from me And use it in discord.
00:27:12And I saw that he's typing, typing, thinking and then it came back with the answer.
00:27:15Yeah, Nanobanana is activated.
00:27:17all i need from you Is to put on the server The API credentials.
00:27:21cool okay?
00:27:22He made It!
00:27:23I Put the api credential in and it was working.
00:27:26Honestly, I have no idea what he did In the background but its working since.
00:27:30So Its really autonomous so You don't Have To explain everything What he needs.
00:27:34do things like That.
00:27:37Also The other part, the third thing that makes it super interesting is that... It has built-in wakeup moments.
00:27:47So there are two things.
00:27:49they're called and we can go into detail later on obviously but one is called a hard beat And others are cron jobs so hardbeat!
00:27:56The standard setting for the heartbeat Is that it wakes up every thirty minutes And it sends you like a DM message or he checks on certain things.
00:28:05That is configurable by the user, so what do want?
00:28:09The agent to order AI assistant doing every thirty minutes You can make?
00:28:13each hour everyday depends on your settings and the crown jobs are like tasks that you can schedule just Like for example with any tenant Every day at eight o'clock.
00:28:22send me report about this.
00:28:24I think these are the three biggest differences compared to just a chat GPT account.
00:28:35Okay, cool and why do people now talk to Cloudbot via WhatsApp?
00:28:42Because this is something that felt fairly new compared using ChatGPT or compared to cloud.
00:28:49so like what's behind it?
00:28:56Why is this happening?
00:28:57And it's also something where you feel like, This part of the reason why got so popular because It feels so natural.
00:29:06Like I can just message this bot on WhatsApp and will actually do
00:29:10things.".
00:29:12I think that helped to become...it made more personal.
00:29:16So for example i don't use it with Whatsapp Because the recommendation if using it with whatsapp get for the agent a mobile phone number, separate numbers so you don't run from your own number.
00:29:27I use it via Discord but that's also the same.
00:29:32It just fun because we talk with an AI on a platform which is already familiar to us.
00:29:36So like WhatsApp everyone uses it and talks about someone And then when they are on their way to work You message your assistant to look up something before getting into meetings.
00:29:46It can do it for you.
00:29:47So once to get there, You already have the message on your WhatsApp?
00:29:50If we really feel like I think For people...it feels Like for me that you are talking To a virtual assistant.
00:29:56That's there for you twenty four seven and it Can Do basically anything for you that you ask And that probably Helped A lot to make it more.
00:30:07Yeah We can Get attached to it faster than other chatbots.
00:30:12And can you check some of the use cases that you already explored?
00:30:16Like things, maybe even things where your felt like okay this is not working out so well yet.
00:30:25So we're doing a little bit of expectation management here also with people but then also things were you felt like hey this is really great and I'm surprised by how well it's going.
00:30:37Yeah At the moment I call her Lyara, so you have to give the assistant a name.
00:30:44When we are setting it up and gave him his name then they have what's called Soul.MD.
00:30:50So like how do they need to act?
00:30:52Yeah It is interesting.
00:30:56We quickly explain here for people.
00:30:58Soul.md because their people might hear it... ...so its file that is called Soul And MD stands from Markdown.
00:31:07So it's basically the soul of this bot written down how... It is shaped, so to say.
00:31:15And I laugh because its so human!
00:31:18Yeah exactly in that sole file standard comes out when you install it already there has a bit of instructions and one of the instruction over here i think literally says This Is Your Soul keep it maintained add things to it, remove things from as you see fit.
00:31:40So the creator of Open Cloud deliberately created in a way that like can change its soul and what's fascinating is really working so soon when we start talking about it adapts.
00:31:52for example now he talks with me exactly how I want Liara talk with me.
00:31:58i get short messages to the point explaining What do I really want?
00:32:02No fluff no nothing.
00:32:03That's How I communicate As well.
00:32:05And it's so nice to see that he changes over time and remembers things because It also has a memory markdown file.
00:32:13In the system prompt of this agent, is stated That needs to log for itself The memory files.
00:32:21So when you think something important will make an entry automatically in the memory file.
00:32:26When we talk with Based on the question.
00:32:29The model already understands, okay I might need to look up the memory because he's asking something about the past.
00:32:35then He searches the memory fire quickly and then ultimately remembers oh ok we talked About that with me made these certain things And this two things makes it really personal.
00:32:47but the original question one for why i use it.
00:32:53It's important to explain the solar family Because I used it.
00:32:57One of the things are you sit forward.
00:33:00It's like Lyara is just now at the moment, as a co-worker that backdoor boosts.
00:33:05That's an app I'm working on and don't have too much time to work in the app.
00:33:09so I realized okay this is nice use case for open cloud.
00:33:12So she can pick up things from me that i dont' have time For And then we move one form there.
00:33:18At the moment We are using it for creating block entries for us To generate content.
00:33:24Creating images.
00:33:26that was my biggest time killer.
00:33:30So when I created the blog even with AI because most of it was already automated, The problem is that always had to think about the prompt.
00:33:39so what image can you use in that blog article?
00:33:41Because we need an image and since i'm creating a image creator app... ...I've always have to create images as examples for example from this product image using our app And then took lot's of time thinking about the prompts.
00:33:56I just send a Discord message, hey write this blog and then create these example images.
00:34:02Everything is uploaded directly to our CDN.
00:34:05everything's over there.
00:34:06it's done!
00:34:07It's awesome.
00:34:08so... This one of the things that she really good at writing blogs its hit-and-miss.
00:34:17Its getting better due to SoulMD because i always try to give feedback on what's working, was not working.
00:34:24So I scanned the memory and saw file a few days ago And it is really noting down things that i gave as feedback.
00:34:33The blocks are getting better.
00:34:35so if you install this for content writing expect at first weeks or days Terrible output.
00:34:42then you need to give it feedback just like your employee.
00:34:46It gets better.
00:34:48now are really good, so I don't even have to give any feedback on them.
00:34:55These are the two use cases that are most heavily used.
00:34:58and third one is reviewing our current codebase.
00:35:01So she has access full code of the app And goes through it then comes with suggestions...so i had a Chrome job setup.
00:35:10She wakes up every day at nine o'clock.
00:35:12She checks the whole code base and checks the metrics.
00:35:15we've got How many people signed-up in past seven days?
00:35:20Did we make any revenue or not?
00:35:21And then she tries to help us with some features, what we can add and remove from the app.
00:35:27Because I said your goal is get us to four hundred MRR at the end of February.
00:35:32So since that time we added twenty five euros MRR.
00:35:36so it's working...I don't think you will make a four-hundred but hey
00:35:41Interesting!
00:35:42What are something maybe didn't work out as well as you would have liked?
00:35:49Code changes.
00:35:51Okay, that's why you moved to just having viewing rights on the code base and making suggestions?
00:35:59So she has only viewing rights but can make changes because like made a clone of the repository She can send poor requests.
00:36:07so hey You should add this as we actually rise the code And then we decide okay do it or not We give feedback.
00:36:14The problem is that the codebase we have, it's already so big.
00:36:18That even when you are coding with Claude You'll need to direct in a certain way.
00:36:23So AI doesn't get lost because It has so much code and context there that the Context window gets full immediately if you don't manage it correctly.
00:36:31And thats something I see with OpenClaude.
00:36:35Yeah its just messes up the Contxt window.
00:36:38It creates really weird things.
00:36:40Sometimes it writes a code.
00:36:43I'm testing on Discord.
00:36:44Did you actually test what you wrote?
00:36:46Yeah, yeah!
00:36:46I tested it and was like are you sure?
00:36:48because i just tested then it crashed And then goes back with the message oh yeah sorry yeah i tested.
00:36:53yeah It doesn't work...I need to figure this out.
00:36:57So code changes are really a hit or miss.
00:36:59Up until now in Total i think she created thirteen pull requests and i was able To use four of those Actually to push through production Something.
00:37:11so That saved me a lot of time, actually.
00:37:13And the other ones are good ideas.
00:37:15just execution was bad.
00:37:16so I save them and i will give it another shot.
00:37:23might be my mistake as well... ...I don't use the most expensive model with OpenClub because I'm still not a millionaire to spend thousands and thousands of euros on API calls Because It makes some costs there.
00:37:37hook it up to Opus.
00:37:38four point six for example, because probably I will go bankrupt in a week.
00:37:42So i'm using it right now In two ways.
00:37:45Using with my open AI account You can log-in and then Liara uses the same account as I do With OpenAI.
00:37:53And she is using Codex.
00:37:55five point three which Is really good model.
00:37:57Only thing that yeah It gets quite fast rate limited Because we are using The Same Account.
00:38:03And then I use with API the Gemini a three point zero flash model because it's cheap It's fast.
00:38:10It's quite good, but for coding is not The best choice.
00:38:12so i still need to try it probably with four point six opus.
00:38:19Yeah, I didn't dare.
00:38:20at the moment who kick off?
00:38:21two point six office
00:38:23If anyone listening has a million spare, Alfred would be delighted if he gets a donation to... I'm
00:38:32already happy with ten thousand.
00:38:34Okay!
00:38:34Ten thousand is enough.
00:38:36so people let's make it work.
00:38:38So Alfred can actually test Opus.
00:38:39four point six with Lyara.
00:38:43But i think here's one critical point and you mentioned that from the thirteen Pull requests you could use for now.
00:38:52I can imagine people listening to this and saying, oh This is very disappointing.
00:38:57so i would Stop using it then?
00:39:01I Could imagine that You think about this differently.
00:39:05Yeah, I know there's from the thirteen at least six was my fault.
00:39:10giving bad instructions And setting up the other two fail.
00:39:14basically The model used immediately explains why some of those fails failed.
00:39:20So when she ran out off usage on the open AI model, The fallback module is the flash.
00:39:29so I assume She was halfway through the task.
00:39:32then the rate limit came in that she fell back to three point zero flash.
00:39:36and if you ever coded with three points zero flash You know it's rubbish?
00:39:43I am sure if i really like give it a good model and can run on the good model,I'm sure that four will jump immediately to six or eight.
00:39:59But even with the four ,i'am already satisfied because those were also bad instructions.
00:40:04but Those are things that didn't have to care about at all.
00:40:07so If you code with cloud code It's fast!
00:40:12You need be there talk into microphone and then transcribe it, accept things check code.
00:40:20But with this all I did is sent a discord message to work And i came back and had the response say its done!
00:40:28And just have to check the poor request.
00:40:32If you bump up better model.
00:40:34that's only win in situation.
00:40:38And can you share something about the speed of execution?
00:40:41Because I tried Claude for Chrome.
00:40:44I haven't tried Claud co-work yet, but for Claude For Chrome i felt like it's really fascinating and generally working well But It takes Really long.
00:40:54so it Takes forever to complete a relatively simple task.
00:40:57So if You for example ask Yara To I don't know publish A new blog post and create an image for the app or the blog, for the apps website.
00:41:13How long does it actually take to complete a job?
00:41:17Honestly I'm not sure because the blog creation is scheduled jobs.
00:41:23so she has one blog per week but i don't want too much content on our web site.
00:41:30It runs every Monday morning at eight o'clock And then I just get the message that's done.
00:41:35So, i'm not sure how long she takes but The message usually writes around like half Like eight thirty something like That.
00:41:42But i'm Not sure if actually needs half an hour for the whole process or Just a message gets sent later?
00:41:47I assume it's half An hour let's say Half an Hour!
00:41:50But If you just chat with With the agent depends A bit on the task what You are asking but Usually It is quite fast.
00:41:56so Uh...I remember Two days ago..i needed something figured out based on our data.
00:42:05I was planning a meeting with my co-founder and i had no time to look up certain things in analytics, And...I was just stepping into the car from the office to come home before I drove away by the car.. I sent him a message saying hey!
00:42:21Look at this.
00:42:22and that I barely drove away and already got the message with the data.
00:42:26So it took like two or three minutes, not even to go to analytics.
00:42:30get all of that because she's using mostly API so its quite fast.
00:42:35getting the data fast depends a bit on their request but It usually really really fast.
00:42:39so i can't complain about speed.
00:42:41Okay nice And which other use cases have you planned to test?
00:42:45Because now your obviously settled already little bit.
00:42:48You know how it works.
00:42:50Yeah Adopted its soul communication style, it feels like you're through the early days of testing.
00:43:00So I could imagine that based on how i know you... That at least in your brain there are already a lot of ideas cooking.
00:43:08what's coming next?
00:43:10Yeah so I upgraded this setup recently and for first one-and-a-half week I was running her on VPS which is not the best Option, it's probably the good option to start.
00:43:25But if you really want to have clod open claw unleashed You need to give it a device because then he can use browser on away.
00:43:34Yeah That exactly what I have.
00:43:36a Mac mini Good job!
00:43:39I'm just holding a mac mini into camera for everybody that is listening Because obviously i also saw someone unlinked in Posting about it..you should have separate machine blah blah blah.
00:43:48but yeah
00:43:51I totally agree with that take.
00:43:52A lot of people say, i don't need a Mac mini you need a VPS.
00:43:56so yeah if you are like an nerd vps is probably good because you can figure out the server and everything.
00:44:02for me The choice was to go with a mac mini Because i understood okay If i needed this next level i constantly needs to log into my server make there certain changes...i have no idea how to run a server.
00:44:16I barely done it few times..I had to ask Cloudcode To Make This.
00:44:19For Me It's a lot work and I still feel that i'm limiting the potential.
00:44:24With the Mac mini you also get The browser use case unlocked so she can really Use a browser like you do then, You Can say hey go to verser create an account put the project up And Do something or check Twitter?
00:44:39Get back To me about this and This because otherwise you need to give in a VPS all kinds of API access and things Like That.
00:44:45yeah it I don't think it's the ideal.
00:44:48And also if you have like a separate device, It is bit more secure because You do not have to mess around with securing the VPS.
00:44:54so... ...you know what you put on that seperate device and.. ..that only thing open clock can access.
00:45:00So If you put there an API key then she has access to that API key.
00:45:04Yeah!
00:45:05If u see something going wrong just take that API Key away and you know That its more or less isolated On her VPS.
00:45:13make sure Securing the server itself.
00:45:17That's also a lot of work.
00:45:18if you don't know what you are doing You can get in trouble people and getting to your server Get all your credentials things like that, so that's a risky move which we're not technical But I'm planning right now.
00:45:30I have three plans for the upcoming period.
00:45:37The second one is that I want her to create a project.
00:46:01That will create, uh...I would say revenue but at least get users.
00:46:06let's say that this so i won't.
00:46:08I was.
00:46:09I'll be saying hey This has come up with Project ideas.
00:46:12start coding it and push it to virtual.
00:46:15Create whatever you want make.
00:46:16Make a business?
00:46:17I'm curious if It can actually do that because I saw someone on Twitter that Was able To Do something like that.
00:46:24So I wanted test that as well.
00:46:27And then the third one is just taking it further with a coding part for backdrop boost because if she's running properly on separate device, than my research isn't wrong.
00:46:41Then I can use her cloud account where she can log in and then she could use Cloud Code via an account instead of direct API which is much cheaper!
00:46:56Pandora's box.
00:46:58Yeah, I
00:47:00was about to say the same pandora box.
00:47:03We were approaching the end of The Rainbow Nice.
00:47:07a quick question before we dive into this set up.
00:47:10i know people want To Know how to Set This whole Claude But Thing Up because like it It sounds cool.
00:47:17but then the Question is okay?
00:47:19How do i get started?
00:47:20and we obviously Want to deliver also on that promise.
00:47:22um yeah why Is it a Mac?
00:47:25Why is it not a Windows or like a Microsoft PC?
00:47:28Like, why's everybody buying Mac mini now.
00:47:32Because Mac Mini is stupidly strong for the price that you have to pay.
00:47:37one of the reasons and The other one-the main reason for me For example Is I can use an iMessage To talk with him And that's even cooler.
00:47:50So, the other thing is I can share a lot of things from my Macbook to her so Apple Notes and things like this because she will have an iCloud account as well.
00:48:03It unlocks lots for me Because it makes it easier.
00:48:09But I think the main reason is that Macminis are really cheap at the moment.
00:48:14I think Mac Minis probably are a good investment for short term.
00:48:17So if you buy them now and everyone runs out of stock, You can resell it.
00:48:20probably few months later.
00:48:24Not sure...I don't take this as financial advice but yeah i think that's one of the main reasons because mac minis are cheap and strong.
00:48:34Got It!
00:48:35I guess there will be someone who buys like hundred mac mini then sets all up And provides like as EA, as a service.
00:48:48Like executive assistant-as-a-service thing where you can basically have your own AI Assistant which in the back end is a cloudbot running on a Mac mini that will then be personalized to you and you can share what do want to share?
00:49:03And they set up couple of things already pre-made...
00:49:07Already people are doing this.
00:49:08I saw someone.
00:49:09Yeah, I saw someone on Twitter.
00:49:11There is a platform called TrustMRR.
00:49:15It's a platform where you can.
00:49:17So lot of people say love things and internet.
00:49:19then mark Lou the creator of the platform created this platform.
00:49:23You can connect your stripe key to it And then you can actually see if people talking about their app Actually make money or not?
00:49:32Trust MRR that they created an open claw something so you can use it or, uh... You can set up there quickly.
00:49:39I saw one of the guys made twenty thousand in like a week or something?
00:49:44Crazy!
00:49:45And i think if you go to platform and look at like Open Something Or Claudebot If we search with this We probably already see lot's services That are here People making serious money Already With The Idea That You Had That's coming.
00:50:00Yeah It is already Here.
00:50:02Interesting Very, very interesting.
00:50:05So now let's get into how to set this up.
00:50:08I know you prepped a little something for people too also better understand it.
00:50:12Can You guide us through?
00:50:13so if i feel like This is Interesting Alfred Convinced me?
00:50:18I want To Get Going.
00:50:19How can I get Started Tomorrow?
00:50:22yeah If you are rich then buy A back mini.
00:50:24uh-huh if you can afford Do It Straightaway if you Are Like A bit more cautious and don't want to spend four hundred five Hundred euros straight away Then You can probably do it the way I did.
00:50:35So that is go to AVS AWS this Amazon's servers stuff.
00:50:42They have a super generous free tier.
00:50:46Basically, you get if you are making your first time account you got two hundred euros?
00:50:50I think as budget which which is plenty enough so you can run your Open Claw for three four at least a long period.
00:51:01I didn't even spend ten euros of that free budget.
00:51:08You can create that and then on there you start experimenting, okay is this something that i like?
00:51:13Is it something that don't like?
00:51:15or nice?
00:51:16?You will probably have a lot of headache managing the server.
00:51:18but for that ,I created some things to listeners And share my screen if u dont mind To walk everyone through this small thing.
00:51:30For everybody that is only listening to this, we will also share what Alfred is showing us with a link in the show notes.
00:51:38So you can check this out.
00:51:41otherwise highly recommended going to YouTube and checking it out there.
00:51:48I don't know the time stamp exactly.
00:51:50That way We'll be on but probably somewhere around the fifty minute mark.
00:51:54then You Can Check It Out On Youtube Also.
00:51:57Yeah.
00:51:57So what I'm sharing.
00:51:58right now for the people that are not watching this screen is, i created a small repository on github with the cloud md file.
00:52:08so if you're not familiar with CloudMD it's like... It's a markdown file.
00:52:12That If You Are Using Cloud Code For Coding ,it will be sent every time you send a message to cloud in the background!
00:52:22What I did with the AWS server, i set it up quickly on the interface and then use cloud code to configure the server in a secure way.
00:52:32Because cloud code because you can't use a terminal just like your OpenClobule It can log into the server via the terminal.
00:52:41You need keys for the proper place.
00:52:43So what created here?
00:52:44I open now the cloud.md.
00:52:47It's basically template CloudMD that you can use in your project if you want to do it the way I did.
00:52:55So this will explain for cloud code, the SSH access... Cloud will help set up the PM file.
00:53:03so i don't even explain what's in this file and he'll explain it.
00:53:09And then Cloud will also guide through which server needs to be selected or installed on that AWS Server when setting it up.
00:53:16just have a chat about.
00:53:17basically In this cloud.md file, I mostly try to put everything that's I already use and it's important And the one of the biggest things That i think is most value can share right now Is OpenClaw command map.
00:53:34What did?
00:53:34I scraped the whole GitHub repository from openclaw And I scrapped all commands you can run on the server to set up certain things.
00:53:44So like changing models, logging into certain models I have here for example open claw channels list.
00:53:50that's the command you can run in the server terminal window and then it will do something.
00:53:56but this is not for you!
00:53:57This is for cloud code.
00:53:59so if we go back quickly to the clod.md That's the thing that every time he sent to Cloudcode there is a line at end of it, openclaw commands.
00:54:10See OpenClawCommands.md for the full CLI reference.
00:54:15so when you are talking with Claude and say to Claude hey I want switch models in my OpenClaude agent can do that for me yeah Claude then will check command map.
00:54:27he knows exactly which command needs to run on server if we make changes enter the server every time, write certain commands because trust me that's a terrible thing if you are not familiar with using terminal.
00:54:41So yeah!
00:54:41That is one of those things I also have set up guide.
00:54:44this probably where we need to start.
00:54:46just give it your AI assistant which i recommend using cloud code as well for setting up the server and its one of best things at the moment.
00:54:58But it's another conversation, but back to the set of files.
00:55:01You just give this to Claude and he will walk you through that whole setup.
00:55:05how you set this up on AWS On The Free Tier which storage you need to select Which instance?
00:55:12You need to Select How many ramps And things like That.
00:55:16if your don't know Don't have an idea He Will guide you Through and If You don't want To use a WS I'll Set It.
00:55:21Other Options or Such as Digital Ocean and other providers.
00:55:26I also saw yesterday that Hostinger, actually they made a service for this.
00:55:33so if you search on Hostinger Open Claw They have one click setup For i think seven euros per month.
00:55:41So just buy it And then create the server.
00:55:44where openclaw is there You need to configure after that.
00:55:47It's secure probably fast way But then you already need to pay for that.
00:55:54and this what I show.
00:55:55You it's free if you do it with AWS And the rest of the file is just for Claude explaining What he needs to do.
00:56:02once?
00:56:02He gets into the server.
00:56:04basically, they instructions are not even for you And i have here in This file.
00:56:11i think i have a small part Of there.
00:56:16yeah It's a small snippet of the soul dot md That i was mentioning at the beginning.
00:56:21But this has the core values, personality traits and basically what's in the sole MD.
00:56:26It is like explaining to an open-claw agent who she or he is identity and things like that.
00:56:33And a nice thing about the SoleMD.
00:56:35This is the core identity but it is editable by the agent himself.
00:56:38So these will improve over time based on conversation set you are doing.
00:56:48The last thing in the repository is a logger.
00:56:50That's also explained for Claude.
00:56:53This is just that Claude, when you are configuring the server using Claude code he will make here logs what things have been changed on the server.
00:57:03it's like a memory of Claude Code.
00:57:04so I created this project in my device which is called Liara and thats me using Claud code to configure the server every time i need to change on the Server Once the server is up & running.
00:57:17It sounds really complicated but Trust me, you can do it in like... I don't know.
00:57:22I did it for about fifteen minutes using Cloud Code.
00:57:25Once the server is up and running And the OpenCloud agent is live.
00:57:30It's living.
00:57:30You can talk with it on Discord.
00:57:33After that The whole setup happens when talking to it.
00:57:36So we just say I want you to be able do this and then openclaw, we just fix it.
00:57:44He will maybe ask a few things like... You'll say hey i want you can browse on the internet And he would come back OKi need an API key for Brave and the rest.
00:57:54I fixed The API keys.
00:57:57don't directly give them to the OpenClaw so not copy pasted When you have to add an API Key To the Open Claw agent.
00:58:05Then you go to your cloud code setup and then you tell Claude, hey I need this server a new API key.
00:58:12in the instructions he knows how to do that.
00:58:15Then Claude will give you command so you don't have to run yourself.
00:58:19also don't give your API key to Claude himself.
00:58:22Don't just copy paste it into the interface.
00:58:25Claude gives you commands which ask Claude how to do that, it will help you.
00:58:30And then we just run the terminal command and after the terminal commands You just paste the API key.
00:58:35now once your on that The API key will be added To the ENV file in the server which is an open clock can use.
00:58:43That's security
00:58:46more or less nice.
00:58:49Um, it's very good that we have this repository.
00:58:52That we can share with people and thanks so much.
00:58:54um that you uh build it actually for us to share.
00:58:59I highly appreciated what i wanted to ask you because I feel like So I feel the sense of excitement You Have About It.
00:59:08Yeah And Drawing back on your experience you had when you saw the launch of chat GBT and that feeling off Monday morning going into the office talking to people.
00:59:19Hey, have you already seen it?
00:59:20blah blah blah.
00:59:22How would you rate?
00:59:23And I know since this inception moment You have been deeper and deeper in deeper with AI.
00:59:29how Would you rate this moment now with open claw like In comparison to that and everything that happened before?
00:59:37yeah If that moment was a ten, I think it wasn't then back in twenty-twenty three So I was super excited about it.
00:59:47Then i would say this opens law.
00:59:48It's like probably seven half eight ish on the whole scale?
00:59:56I Think I will go quickly to nine once I have the whole Mac mini set up properly.
01:00:03So I might change my score after that, but just based on the early experiments i made.
01:00:08I would say seven and a half eight which is quite high because The last tool that made me give such high school was the launch of nano banana pro And there was a big one as well.
01:00:21so yeah it's...I think this Is probably really I wouldn't say Probably it's revolutionary in a way that I think the bigger AI platforms such as OpenAI and Tropic, they saw now.
01:00:40okay there is need for this.
01:00:42And if we make something like this in a secure way then... That's key to lot of other new users because the platform currently can't do something like these but they have their strongest models.
01:00:55so imagine running Lyara natively built by entropic on an opus, four point six.
01:01:00That would be like absolutely bonkers.
01:01:06I'm not sure if they can make it because there are a lot of security problems with open claw at the moment.
01:01:11so probably that's why They didn't do it Because for them is Like A big risk If they mess up something but At some point they will figure It out how to Do it properly and then we have proper AI assistance that We Can use By The native model creators.
01:01:25And that's Probably biggest that we will have.
01:01:28again, this would be the biggest thing at that point.
01:01:32Because thats what I wanted to ask.
01:01:36if i remember the chat GPT it was for second half of twenty five strategy document which got leaked in a legal process with Google.
01:01:54They actually said the division for Cheshire PT is to become this super assistant.
01:01:59And I feel like so, The more I listen to you talking about it... ...I feel like This Is The Closest We Got To Having The Super Assistant Now.
01:02:07So You Feel Like Security Is The Biggest Problem?
01:02:11So This Coming From The Community Basically As An Open Source Project.
01:02:15Yeah
01:02:16It's Due To An Individual Creator.
01:02:19The Project
01:02:19Was Vibecoded.
01:02:22So the guy who created Open Cloud, basically he said it in an interview.
01:02:26I have no idea what every file is in there so i was just talking to... He created it with Codex and some of it with Cloudcode.
01:02:34He was just taking his laptop when he was programming.
01:02:37it then started work.
01:02:39from that it grew.
01:02:41but you can see as a Wipecrow project.
01:02:44this really good But yeah.. There are some security stuff.
01:02:51You have to be careful how you use it, and I think that should be a totally different episode as well.
01:02:56But i'm not sure if we have time or I can go like quickly five minutes into our security
01:03:00course.
01:03:01Let's do please.
01:03:01yeah
01:03:02um Be careful what?
01:03:05You give access to your open claw If you set it up at the beginning.
01:03:09so if you do It on a separate device then you are more or less good in A way That you know What's On That Device And She has Access Only To That Things.
01:03:19Don't sign up your agent to platforms where other agents are.
01:03:24One of the platforms that got really popular is The Mold Book, That's like Reddit for all these open-claw agents people created and thats number one most unsecured place.
01:03:38you can give your agent access because people do prompt injections from there.
01:03:44so then its bad.
01:03:48obviously.
01:03:50For example, I wouldn't recommend allowing your agent emailing people other than you or talking to others at the beginning because if someone knows what they are doing then it can also do prompt injections.
01:04:02If somebody sends an e-mail now with a prompt injection through Lyara It will probably go though and she could leak my API keys.
01:04:11so i would not want that.
01:04:13So at the beginning, just keep it on your device.
01:04:15If you are running it in a VPS or private server make sure that the server is secured and after then give access to tools which first want for use.
01:04:26I would say using Discord at the begining.
01:04:28super easy to setup.
01:04:30Telegram also super easy.
01:04:31set up what i heard but didn't test it.
01:04:33But shouldn't be hard And start talking with.
01:04:39Make sure you have one clear use case in your mind what you want to test and just give access To the tools at the beginning.
01:04:45that that you won't do on to us And nothing more.
01:04:48be mindful how you gave access via API keys.
01:04:51create separate API keys with clear budget.
01:04:55So if for example, If you used nano banana pro so you want your assistant.
01:05:00Just like I did two create images Create a new project on Google console For that set up budget alert of ten euros over there and an instant kill if the budget is depleted.
01:05:13And create a separate API, obviously so you can take precautions like this.
01:05:17If something goes wrong she burns love credits The most you lose.
01:05:21it's a tenner that nobody gonna have a headache about But if you don't do it then she burns one thousand.
01:05:28You might have different conversation at home
01:05:32Maybe depending on which account is charged.
01:05:35Exactly, exactly.
01:05:37I know my wife wouldn't be happy.
01:05:39Yeah
01:05:39these are very important additions.
01:05:41thanks so much for that.
01:05:42i guess Are there any resources That you draw when You think about this?
01:05:47So Is There Anything Like URAD like a blog post or A post?
01:05:53We can also maybe put in the show notes That have some helpful security guidelines Because I could imagine people thinking Okay, yeah.
01:06:02That sounds really good but wait a second.
01:06:04what was it?
01:06:05again and I know how people are they probably won't re-listen the whole part.
01:06:10so is there anything that we might be able to share?
01:06:14Yeah obviously their own website is really good.
01:06:17They have a lot of docs.
01:06:19So openclaw.ai i think its domain or com i'm not sure.
01:06:28There's alot of good stuff about set up and other things that can be helpful.
01:06:36at the beginning, I recommend also checking a YouTuber called... I don't want to butcher his name.
01:06:43Let me just quickly look it up
01:06:45because
01:06:47i'm subscribed And he should be on top of this video yesterday evening.
01:06:53Matthew Berman He created lot's good videos how to setup.
01:06:59So there is also a lot of good content and he has lots links in those videos.
01:07:03I can share maybe link with you the video that i've watched, then it will help as well.
01:07:08And these are mostly like setting up security.
01:07:12if you want to get inspired on how to use Openclaw or what u could do with openclaw Then follow Alex Finn on Twitter.
01:07:20The guy already bought two Mac Studios.
01:07:24That's a ten thousand euro device.
01:07:28He bought two of them to run OpenCloud.
01:07:30The guy is creating an army of OpenCloud agents, he's doing a lot things... I think fifty percent his hype just generate content because he was the content creator.
01:07:39so probably there are lots like that.
01:07:41but it really inspires you.
01:07:43open your mind and see certain use cases which can be done with your OpenCloud.
01:07:47So i wish for also link in this profile so we could put into show notes.
01:07:52Wow nice thanks.
01:07:54very much.
01:07:58wrapping up the conversation a little bit.
01:08:00I always want to ensure that people will leave the episode with most actionable advice, and i think we already delivered on that like three times.
01:08:10so thanks for much of it!
01:08:13But... We touched getting started with AI, how do you think about structuring problems?
01:08:21which route to go?
01:08:22So is there problem they can solve basically in the UI of chat GPT, et cetera.
01:08:27Can I solve it with cloud projects?
01:08:29Custom GPT etc.
01:08:30do an agent?
01:08:31we talked about Cloudbot setting out on VPS Mac mini so we covered a lot.
01:08:38now if there are people listening that are thinking a lot about AI but they're still early in their journey like the early.
01:08:48okay yeah i have built a custom GPT.
01:08:50But other than that and just prompting for example, for stuff.
01:08:55What would be your maybe two to three top pieces of advice.
01:09:01actionable advice?
01:09:02For people that want to take their next step at least towards something That yeah you're building.
01:09:10for example
01:09:11Yeah number one I will say start the coding project very.
01:09:19use AI.
01:09:21You will learn so much about how these models work and what are their capabilities.
01:09:25And everything you do in code, it can be translated later to other use cases... ...you don't have to understand the code that you're writing.
01:09:32just Use AI for these things So you can understand How To Talk With Them.
01:09:37That's What You Will Learn By Creating!
01:09:39You Don't Have To Recreate The New Facebook.
01:09:42Do Something Small.
01:09:44I can't believe, i think everyone has like an idea or something for a app.
01:09:50Maybe you have problem at home that you are frustrated about?
01:09:54How I started?
01:09:55in actual example my very first project that I coded with the AI was a gym tracker because all the gym trackers out there were rubbish but not from my use case and program which is following.
01:10:07So I created it on afternoon.
01:10:09back then It was like, feels like it was ten years ago.
01:10:16And that teach me so much about how to talk with these.
01:10:19what are limitations?
01:10:20things like this and its really something simple you can set up quite fast with AI If your idea is not as simple.
01:10:27or not ask AI Take a microphone So don't have type.
01:10:34Install handy.computer.
01:10:36I can share the link.
01:10:37That's free transcriber.
01:10:42It's awesome, but you have to pay for it.
01:10:44And if only need a transcriber then handy.computer is an app that you just install and runs locally and completely free.
01:10:51Then turn it on Talk for ten minutes into your microphone about the idea Send it to Claude, Gemini, ChagePT whatever.
01:11:02Ask this tool okay Is difficult or not to build?
01:11:06If get like plan of more less than ideal Okay This looks manageable.
01:11:11Install Cloud Code or Cursor.
01:11:14I recommend if you are doing a coding project, don't do it in the chat interface.
01:11:17It's gonna be lot harder and lose motivation.
01:11:21so install cursor Or get cloud code.
01:11:25that probably would be the wiser option.
01:11:31Anti-gravity is also really good option And i think its free.
01:11:34So If You Don't Want To Spend Money On This Then Use Anti-Gravity From Google zero pro there for free, if I'm not mistaken.
01:11:46For a certain period of time and you can create probably an ice project And you understand most of things.
01:11:51You don't have to understand like code and things Like that but you will understand A lot about how these works context windows Things like That because you Will encounter a Lot faster over There These issues then in just the chat interface?
01:12:04Those things are playing everywhere when you Are working with they are.
01:12:07i think This is one of the biggest things that you can take as next step.
01:12:11And, another thing which should already be done and should stay doing write everything down if it's in your head doesn't exist.
01:12:20So If You Need Help from an AI Assistant Doesn't Matter Which Tool About Your Fitness Course Personal Projects?
01:12:29If The AI Doesn't Know What Is Your Current Status?
01:12:31What Are You Doing At The Moment?
01:12:32How The Heck Do You Expect To Get A Proper Tip From AI?
01:12:38When I realized this, I started to track everything.
01:12:41Also a gym nerd.
01:12:42so... ...I created the tool and tracked daily.
01:12:45what do i eat?
01:12:46What's my weight?
01:12:48And My AI is connected via API.
01:12:51So when ask Claude can you get data from my fitness and check it for my goals for twenty-twenty six?
01:12:56Am I on track or not?
01:12:57He knows exactly where am at right now.
01:13:02but if u don't have this context just get slopped.
01:13:05Write everything down.
01:13:07Write projects done that you are working on challenges.
01:13:10That's your face with the project Everything basically.
01:13:14so what I use its Apple notes just because it's accessible then from all my devices and i have a folder for each Project, but i'm working on an also areas of My life.
01:13:25if You read The book build A second Brain From Tiago Forte Then?
01:13:30Listeners That Read The Book Probably Understand What i'm Talking About.
01:13:33It's like A system Where you Take Notes.
01:13:35in Certain Way it helped a lot also with AI stuff.
01:13:39So I work on the project, i write down everything.
01:13:41what works and doesn't.
01:13:42What are the challenges?
01:13:43And when I ask Claude about that he knows the whole context...I don´t have to explain things so He know's what I already checked or did.
01:13:51It is alot easier to write these things as you go.
01:13:57You get proper stuff out of this AI tools But if its only in your head then it´s nowhere.
01:14:07Have you always been like an explorer type person?
01:14:11Like there's a new thing and I'm intrigued.
01:14:35So one day we just sold everything and we stepped into the car, then drove to The Netherlands.
01:14:41To start a new life!
01:14:43I only knew where i was going because my cousin was living here And he said you can live for ONE month at us... I had no idea when im gonna work!
01:14:52Three days later I had to work.
01:14:53so yeah.. My whole life was exploring Jeff trying things.
01:14:58Yeah, I feel like that's a trait that lot of people share on the frontier off these technological thing because they don't wait for someone else to show them away but actually find their way themselves.
01:15:13so your personal story with you moving to another lands is perfect testament to it.
01:15:20couldn't be better example.
01:15:22Yeah, I'm not afraid making mistakes.
01:15:24Breaking things and you will do a lot when you are working with AI.
01:15:27so... ...I see a lot of colleagues doing something.
01:15:29then it breaks doesn't work.
01:15:31they come to panic and i don´t know wow!
01:15:33I made some mistake.
01:15:34like I broke only fourteen things today that's no bad.
01:15:37yeah yesterday is sixty.
01:15:39Was was hard to get buy-in from the agency leadership?
01:15:44That in future would be normal if things break?
01:15:47Happily not.
01:15:49So they are really open-minded.
01:15:51They understood what this brings, I explained it at the beginning... ...they already knew me.
01:15:55so i broke a lot of things before that!
01:15:59It was easy for them to accept.
01:16:02okay This probably just will give more problems when offered is unleashed But also gave a lot benefits..They said it's not my words, they said it too me.
01:16:16Happily it wasn't easy.
01:16:17get on board
01:16:19Very cool.
01:16:20I've got to have a final question for today, which is what?
01:16:24didn't we talk about that?
01:16:25We should have talked about.
01:16:29um i think we covered most of it.
01:16:34but i would say one important thing Which i saw a few days ago on twitter.
01:16:41someone wrote an article That got like seventy something million impressions About the new coveties here and its ai And then got love attention.
01:16:50and What i hate at the moment on whole social media is the fear mongering about AI.
01:16:58And I saw someone else reacting to that post with one line and it was brilliant, he said A.I doesn't come for your job Fear is coming for you.
01:17:07so if You are just sitting still and won't do anything then close-minded Then don't test these tools and not open using them.
01:17:16yet Most of the people are not like that.
01:17:24Some... People, like me or explorers.
01:17:28we're way ahead but everyone will catch up at some point.
01:17:31and if you look around in real world how fast things get implemented How open-minded our boards to implement AI.
01:17:41When you go into a real company with rules and corporate stuff It's not easy for an AI project to be running.
01:17:48You see all these guys on LinkedIn talking about it like explorers, they have.
01:17:53this is their job.
01:17:54Most of them are also content creators who need to talk about something and generate impressions.
01:17:59but I would say don't be afraid...I'm a positive person!
01:18:04Really nice things coming towards us.
01:18:08we will solve so complex things that were not able to solve before And it'll unlock a lot of things.
01:18:13probably for some people bring negative thing.
01:18:18But yeah just dont let fear disappoint you, or don't get overwhelmed by the fear posts and things like that.
01:18:26And I'm already behind them not going to try
01:18:27it.".
01:18:28That's the worst you can do!
01:18:29So just be open-minded.
01:18:31ignore everything.
01:18:32go try yourself.
01:18:33see what he can do in your field In your area for yours before.
01:18:37You will understand a lot better than reading on Twitter when they say someone Just or LinkedIn?
01:18:43See some of us talking about fear and things Like that.
01:18:45yeah close.
01:18:45that's designed To Close LinkedIn and Go Try It Yourself.
01:18:51Very well put.
01:18:52Thanks so much, um I very much enjoyed the conversation was very insightful.
01:18:58i like literally have this Mac mini here standing in front of me on my desk and
01:19:03the podcast and install it.
01:19:04yeah
01:19:05The more we talk.
01:19:06unfortunately I only have time on the weekend but the more We talked the more I was like craving going to because It felt like this moment when, I don't know.
01:19:16When i was a teenager and had this new computer game And uh...I was literally sitting in school very nervous about getting home installing it setting everything up or just going.
01:19:30Oh!
01:19:30When I have the new computer or something even crazier Like oh can I install my graphic card etc?
01:19:39So thanks so much for giving me that.
01:19:41Thanks
01:19:41for your chance.
01:19:43Yeah, it was great.
01:19:44And if people want to follow you around so obviously we will put all the links that I talked about in the description.
01:19:50but what's best place for following?
01:19:51because i know they also share a lot of your thoughts and projects you are working on.
01:19:56LinkedIn is nice way to follow me.
01:19:58If You Want To See A Bit More Filter Than Normal Offer Then If You Want To Get A More Raw Experience Than Twitter Is The Place like different content on Twitter than LinkedIn.
01:20:12But if you follow me and LinkedIn, that's already nice.
01:20:16there also shared a lot of things.
01:20:17when I have time obviously it is not daily.
01:20:21so
01:20:22yeah hopefully Liara can make more time in your day So that you could post.
01:20:27Yeah
01:20:27would be nice.
01:20:28the problem is If she makes some times then i already come up with new project which will take time again.
01:20:33but yeah thats life.
01:20:35That s actually The New Struggle.
01:20:38You Make Time And Then You have more time, but then you immediately start working on something new.
01:20:44Yeah exactly!
01:20:46Cool.
01:20:47so then Alfred thanks so much.
01:20:50very much enjoyed it.
01:20:52all the best for you and for advice for backdrop boost.
01:20:57I hope you will get to the, what was it?
01:20:59Four hundred euros
01:21:01per hour.
01:21:01Yeah small numbers.
01:21:02so
01:21:03yeah no worries i don't think that always has to be a shiny big number.
01:21:07So um wish you much success in that.
01:21:10and uh yeah thanks so much from making good time today!
01:21:14Thanks for inviting me and same for all of your successes as well.
01:21:18Hop into the ride!
01:21:22Bye bye.

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